. TUNISIA, EGYPT, AND HAPPY BALLS ...

Posted on Monday, February 14 @ 13:54:15 CST davide
 ALBERTO B. Mariantonia mirorenzaglia.org
... Revolutions in Tunisia and Egypt? For now, I'm sure not. Tomorrow, however, are largely not attempt to exclude it at all!
But let's see why ...
A mass of brain specialists say, is scientifically proven that our brain - compared with a visible, tangible, alluring and luscious steaming plate of pasta, seasoned with plenty of tomatoes, fragrant basil and parmesan, or, prompted by a detailed, flattering andinviting symbolic or metaphorical description of the same meal - usually tend to react the same way. To the point that clinical scanned, it is even possible to identify and observe the intricacies of the gray matter - after inoculation, blood in the circuit, a special dye and harmless - the electric light-responsive neurons of equivalent reference.

This would mean that the human being, because of its natural and inevitable physiological limits, was not able, within his psyche, to be able to focus immediately, to identify and distinguish the "say" from "doing", the 'being' from the 'look', the actual "reality" by any "representation illustrative or narrative."
It is not inconceivable, therefore, that the current leaders of the various states and Western governments - closely assisted and supported in their unseemly role of the perfect butler in the service of occult powers, the majority of print media and audio-visual - it is fully aware of this particular human, are taking advantage of the unique mechanisms that peculiar specificity. And this, is to continue with impunity to promise what they are not ever be able to maintain, to manipulate or were told the ad hoc consciences of the people, is to perpetuate indefinitely and in behalf of international finance, the worst regimes that history has ever known: that, to be clear, liberal-capitalist-globalist. A system, the latter apparently political and essentially illegitimate usurper and that tends to spell out publicly and formally self-represented in the eyes of its directors, through a cunning and deceptive institutional model that we can certainly define a 'formal democracy', 'illusory', 'nominal', 'totalitarian' and 'despotic'.
Formal, since its citizens / subjects - if you exclude the ephemeral gesture that has given them power to go, from time to time, to vote for either of the "cunning" of the different factions in the field - are systematically excluded or marginalized from public life of their countries and studiously kept in ignorance of the real problems that afflict society.
Illusory, because the "model" institution in question - in complete and flagrant contradiction in terms with reality - claims that those who are not capable of governing or self-government, can fully evaluate and elect those who are destined to govern.
Nominal, because the system in question has simply preferred to replace - the meaning and substance to the sense of the word democracy (the government of the people, by the people, for the people ", as defined by Demosthenes) - the emptiness el 'inconsistency of the formal minutes of simple declamation and one "word". Trying to remedy that void substantial, with another set of abstract words in consonance compliant and polite, like "freedom" and "equality", the "brotherhood", the "solidarity" and "justice", the Rule of Law "," human rights "," humanitarianism "," tolerance ", the" moderation ", the" participation ", etc..
Totalitarian as those who, inside or outside of the model of "Democracy" does not agree to recognize the unquestionable legitimacy of its institutions, is immediately regarded as the 'personification of evil' and 'absolute enemy' society , and consequently, who will not submit to the 'gauntlet' of its subjective and arbitrary criteria for assessing and judging or of its normal election rules (which, of course, are shaped specifically to allow the perpetuation of that system invariable) is automatically and politically 'offside'.
Despotic, because the system in question - after you take an interest studiously concealed and made me forget the majority of citizens / subjects of the ancient and still valid concepts isonomia (equality of citizens against the law), Isotimia (the equal rightthat citizens had access to any function of the State) and Isegoria (freedom of expression enjoyed by all citizens) - does not hesitate at all to criminalize and bully those who disagree with his daily practice, and to promote and give priority to those who brazenly accepted unconditionally on the side of his 'official truth'. To the extent that the latter - to paraphrase George Orwell - "are always more equal than others."
Result: the liberal-capitalist system that seeks globalist-even "export", by force of arms, in his third Nations "model" institutional - thanks to television and the meticulous and effective sounding board that is offered daily from the rest mainstream media - has managed to impose volens nolens, a true 'single thought' (in the sense of vision alone, permitted or authorized, man, society and the world at the expense of all others) and alanguage 'politically correct' (in the sense of what you can or can not be said, state or public support, otherwise the ban, isolation, legal and administrative sanctions, civil death and the notch offender) to almost all countries around the world.
The same system also - from the height of his claim, never proved 'moral superiority' (which is nothing, in short, a vulgar and dishonest "moral" partisan in the sense of only "moral" allowed, permitted and authorized that is applied even to the detriment and prejudice of any form of authentic and harmonious' moral corporate 'and / or' policy ') - is also able to establish and to enforce in its own advantage, a concept of justice to' variable geometry ', valid for all occasions and situations, which will retain the right at the same time, subjective and arbitrary power play constantly and with impunity, on each "table" and in any kind of conflict, the comfortable and perverse role of' easy part cause ', for' fair trial ', of' exculpatory moral 'and' executioner 'service.
As the abused and constantly mocked player of our time will undoubtedly have guessed, if I allowed him this long and detailed introduction, it was simply potergli directly provide a series of 'interpretations' that, in life of all days, can certainly help to discern and to measure the degree of manipulation to which he, unfortunately, is constantly subjected, every day, from that system.
The most striking and instructive, we find him in the recent news of international developments: ie in the two so-called "revolutions" that took place, and in recent weeks on television, both in Tunisia and Egypt.
Now, in Tunisia and Egypt, there have been overt and bloody riots in some of those people against their regimes (that of President Ben Ali and that of President Mubarak) that, for decades (21 years and the first 30 years the second), were openly and scandalously backed and supported by most countries of the Western Block (USA-EU-Israel), I do not think, can generate any questioning.
Inside, however, of such countries, there have been, for the moment, the real and tangible popular revolutions that have paved the way for the next establishment of a true democracy (otherwise, then, from that earlier I took the liberty to examine and expose), the reader will pardon me, but - knowing closely the nature and inner workings of those countries and being aware of the obscene and shameful interests constantly pushing almost all Western countries to shore up and strengthen the kind of schemes - continued stubbornly to have my doubts more reasoned and documented!
In Tunisia, in fact, apart from the official theatrical and elimination of the "fuse" Ben Ali, I do not think anything has changed ...
On the contrary, the scheme originally established by President Burguiba back in 1956-1957 and thereafter maintained and improved by President Ben Ali, unabashedly continues to remain firmly on its structures ever (policy frameworks and government intelligence agencies, police and army) and to hold, until evidence to the contrary - although with the public and verbal promise to the people, and future of "free" elections ... - all the powers of the state.
The same is true of Egypt, where - after the official elimination of the "fuse" Mubarak and the formal promise to the insurgents in al-Tahrir Square, and future of "free" elections ... - everything remains as before. If not worse than before ... with the usual political and managerial staff, the usual army, the usual Secret Service and the usual police - as well as having previously taken care to dissolve the old parliament and suspended for six months, the application of constitutional guarantees - seraphically continue to control, with the usual political and diplomatic approval of the West, almost all the nerve centers (military, political, economic, cultural, administrative, legal and civil rights) of the country.
Yet, thanks to the emphatic, focused and misleading manipulations made by almost all of the media embedded in the world, everything looks really changed.
As if by magic, in fact, the Tunisian and Egyptian regime is suddenly seen as "liberal," "tolerant", "open to dialogue", "ready to make any concession." And the same countries (the United States and the European Union in the head!) That until recently they had endorsed and strengthened (with blows of billions of dollars or euro ...) the existence, and supported and encouraged, by their official or unofficial satisfaction, the most repulsive and generalized repressive practices, tend today to wave to and blatantly to compete with each other in the eyes of the world and live on television to declare that "always" ... advocates and promoters of the "new" course policy in those states. All this, of course, in the name of the usual and magical word, "democracy", abundantly filled, as usual, with the usual beautiful and enticing other words outline we know: "freedom, equality, brotherhood, "solidarity" and "justice", "rule of law", "Human Rights", "humanitarianism," "tolerance," "moderation," "participation", etc..
The "people" bull, unfortunately, once again, and it is sad to have to realize - probably having forgotten or never knew the wise and prescient reflections of Étienne de La Boétie (1530-1563), in his 'Discours sur la servitude volontaire' - was made again and naively convince the regulars and hired "snake oil salesmen" of some international press that the ferocious and rapacious tyrants of their countries were only two: Ben Ali (Tunisia) and Mubarak (Egypt), assisted in the most by any of their close relative, friend or acquaintance ... And, once again, the "people ox," he "take the bait" of the same old misinformation.
For now, therefore, in Tunisia and Egypt, to my knowledge, it does not appear that there has been something new. Indeed, as in the past: no freedom (horreya), no democracy (dimuqratya), no social justice ('Adala igtimaya), no end to corruption (al-fasad), no end in unemployment (al-Batal).
So, for now, all happy and balls ...
And that, until the day ... the man in the street - both within the always mocked, betrayed and martyred in our Arab world that enslaved and harassed - Europe able to really become aware of his unenviable condition of vulgar and humiliated puppet in the hands of the greatest criminals that history has so far been able to experience. And free, with their forces, both by his treacherous, intralcianti rooted and conditioned reflexes that its long-standing, humiliating and degrading slavery.
So yes, that - in different countries of the opposite sides of the Mediterranean and with no "live" television ... - we certainly an occasion or opportunity to see some good!
Alberto B. Mariantoni Source: www.mirorenzaglia.org Link: http://www.mirorenzaglia.org/?p=17769 14.02.2011 

COPYRIGHT AND ELECTRONIC NETWORKS

AUTHORITY RESPONSABILITY IN COPYRIGHT PROTECTION ACTIVITY ON

ELECTRONIC COMMUNICATIONS NETWORKS: INDEPENDENT CONSULTATION

independent draft of AGCOM original text featured by Valter Conti

. Premise
Digital content is a key element in the development of the European single market: the spread access to broadband Internet and the development of advanced mobile networks, with the possibility of transform any type of digital content, and process it privately by individual users, faces continuously new cultural perspectives for consumers and new opportunities to develop a democatic and sustainable content industry.
At Community level, the digital single market is considered the "fifth freedom", and its development is considered a priority. Moreover, the ICT sector represents 5% of GDP Community, each day there are more than 250 millions of Internet users and is estimated that auntil 2020 many digital content and applications provided by users will be deployed, evaluated and funded through Internet.
However, even today 30% of EU citizens did not never used the Internet, the number of downloads of files music downloads is ¼ than the United States, the penetration rate of the fiber optic only 1% ( against 2% in the U.S., 12% in Japan and 15% in South Korea) the EU is spending on ICT research and development the 40% of corresponding expenditure in the U.S.
The Authority has in recent annual reports repeatedly expressed the view that underestimate the potential of the digital market  eans losing a unique opportunity to economic and social development: the access to the media content stimulates the demand for transmission capacity and this in the same time encourages investment on next generation networks and allows both a orderly and democratic content development.
The launch of NGN networks, in turn, promotes the creation of innovative services that will be developed on these networks (web 2.0, web 3.0 etc.).
Among the stimuli to the spread of the digital economy plays an important role the presence of copyright.
Rules and annexed rights with an appropriate technological development and engagement of those rights exercice using of contents by users.
The criticality of the current regulatory framework on copyright in Italy stems from the fact that the ability to deliver and exchange content takes place in an economic regime of monopoly by a national public body (SIAE). The fact that, against a single licensee for collection of rights, the content is deployed without the legitimate owners are in a position to exercise significant any effective right to control personally and to perceive then the potential remuneration including those arising from the right then leads to the development of injury creativity and freedom of expression, therefore, to choices available to the public (as a public opinion and then how to protect natural competition) and consumers / users.
The rules of copyright would, in fact, on the one hand, protect freedom of expression and second, the guarantee of the right side of the privacy; allow an equitable remuneration to the author and equitable sharing of the remuneration of resale rights on the part of collective marks and CTM. This last aspect is, moreover, a fundamental principle of Community Communications electronic equipment inside the EU.
On the issue of copyright online, has developed In recent years a wide debate focused primarily on more effective measures to combat piracy. This approach, which has always been driven by the need to protect the 'author' before the "consumer" has led to the adoption in many countries, measures contrast based primarily on bans and sanctions.
The practical effects of such a type of reaction in a monopoly like the Italian, however, are at least doubtful especially considering that the consumer can be an author who in turn radically changes the contents of the free access content available and then produces a new content totally different from the original work, though inspired by this. It would be appropriate to identify a pattern of adjustment that rests on the allocation of fair value also rights for reuse of those consumers who, having free access to online content, but simultaneously, redistribute, and recreate the same content supporting the authors of original works and in some cases creating "new" content otherwise impossible to be contemplated without the availability and free legal original works in the same network. It should also be in view that the Authority may settle. Disputes between the representative associations for the protection of consumers and users and by intermediaries that carry the supply of connectivity of the content on the web. In this sense, on the floor of a prudent and preventive action any government policy or intervention Piracy contrast can not be separated from the coeval promotion of measures aimed at fostering the provision legal content available to the public: policies that look to one of these two issues are doomed to fail or to produce further difficulties and inability to cope distortions of the market and competition, as demonstrates the ineffectiveness of technical counter-piracy and the current lack of incomes of social networking despite their exceptional spread. For more towards overcoming the logic of punitive-repressive requires that the action of public authorities do not regulators to take charge on an objective basis of identification and reconfiguration of the effective relocation of the current account in currency financial intermediaries approved by a reform accordingly. In this context, the legislature, with a series of subsequent regulatory action has identified the Authority for guarantees in communications as the person best suited for technical competence and institutional mission in Community dimension, to further the action of synthetic between the interests of authors, on the one hand and consumers / users on the other.
The Act also entrusts the Authority powers to terms of preventing too large, and assessment of offenses under framework that protects intellectual property. These leading powers also consider provide coordination with the ordinary moments of Local Bodies Chambers as guarantors of CTM and exercise, even Community of intellectual property rights.
2. The existing legal framework and the role of the Communications Authority
 

The first traces of regulations governing the Authority jurisdiction regarding the copyright cane from f the original warranty in the industry audiovisual (the Guarantor for broadcasting and Publishing), which was also entrusted with the task of supervising compliance by the the public broadcaster and private licensees for broadcasting, "the laws and conventions international telecommunications and use of intellectual works "(Article 15, paragraph 8 of Law No. 223/90, only recently repealed by art. 54, D. lgs. N. 177/2005, cd. Consolidated Broadcasting).

From that primitive normative element is registered, to the extent that worsened the problemc onsidered, a growing conferment of jurisdiction specific to this Authority, by law on August 18 2000, no 248, which operated the first formal investiture of this Administration, to the more Recent Legislative Decree 44/2010, better known as "Decree Romani ".

In that decree, the providers of Italian media services excluded from our jurisdiction are identified by the operators:

        a) making use of an up-link satellite (uplink) located in Italy;

        b) not using an up-link satellite located in Italy, but they use a Italian satellite capacity competence.

This exclusion has produced an ambiguity as to the civil and criminal liability of the operators if under the protection of copyright, you configurable limits on the simple case in mere production of the contents and clauses of responsibility for public utilities operating legally in Italy.

On the other hand, the Authority itself, given the delicacy and importance of legal potentially involved, it has decided to report to the Government and the Parliament the opportunity to a comprehensive review of rules on the rcopyright law that would otherwise be inappropriate for the technological and legal developments in the industry sector.

Valter Conti

Project&Process Management for Scientific Research

RESEARCH STEP SUMMARY LIST

Project Initiation Planning



Step 01: Project Objective & Scope Start-up
-Establish Project Objective
-Recruit Project Interest for Project Initiation Stage Manager
-Establish Scope of Investigation and Prepare Project Initiation research
-Brief  the schedulege Team to  Identify Initial Requirements
-Stage Control Procedures to meet-up a  Project circulation knowledge base management
-Review Related Studies and Project start-up to administrative bodies



Step 02: Task Distribution Management
- Identify Training Requirement in meet-down Review Project
-Produce Outline Solution Presentations at the Project Appoach Philosofy/Theory


Step 03: Project estimating Budgeting Procedure
-Estimate Duration and Establish Resource Requierements
-Create Project Schedule apps for Products' milestones
- Document Project &Process Success Criteria


Step 04:Internal Audit Procedure
 -Determine Quality Control Activities
 -Identify Key Personnel  and  Recruit Project Board for internal peer review
-Determine Product Workflow with the Effort of Assestment Team
-Allocate Resources to  Prepare Quality Circle Stages
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Project mission specific Procedure
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Step 05: Project Organization standardization Procedure
-Recruit  Stage Manager and Project Coordinators
 -Recruit Key Stakeholders, Stage Teams and external Key Resources
- Determine Training Requirements
-Create Project Organization Chart and Project Organization Staff


Step 06:     Project Control Forms
-Set Up Project Administration Application Forms
 -Setup Stage Administration Application Forms

Technical resource for a standard project cycle assestment in scientific research

University Quality Circle Decision Support Teams:
Technical resource for a standard projects cycle assestment

I propose a standard Project&Process management using item-driven network management reaction model introduced in the post regarding the social networks integration. In case of Universities the Quality Assestment Team is the Supervisor user for total quality management and business rules come from the internal peer-review freedback scoreflow until follow-up phase1 of the projects lifecycles.

Description: This diagram shows a timeline overview that places all of the research objectives on a 2-year timeline. Both Knowledge Management Lifecycle and Item Specification start at the beginning of year one and go until the end of year one. Code Development Portal & Repository begins in year one and goes for the entire time period, to the end of year two. Both Financial Web Services Development and Vendor/Insitutional Recommendation start begins half-way through year one and ends half-way through year two. Follow-up Phase 1 begins half-way through year two and ends at the end of year two. Both Evaluation and Dissemination run the length of the two-year timeline.

Valter Conti

Global market social networks integration

The proposal for a Social Credit Execution Facility (SCEF)

An Overview

Legislative bodies in the U.S. and Europe are moving to increase regulation of the over-the-counter (OTC) derivatives market.

On  the side of the social network platforms like Facebook, a similar reform proposal can seek to achieve three key objectives:

• Increase transparency
• Improvesocial markets awareness efficiency
• Prevent market abuse by the key players

Many reforms continue to be debated, one of which could concern the creation and definition of a Social Credit Execution Facility (SCEF) and its impact on how adwertisement and intellectual propriety trades are executed and cleared in social network platforms.

The expected role of a SCEF is to provide pre- and post-advertisement transparency, encourage collaborative execution for the entire capital marketplace, and provide the tools required to ensure a complete record and audit trail of shared trades. There could be a significant shift in the way shared trading is ultimately executed, and the users trust to be ahead of the curve for their friends.

Facebook is the leading provider of non-competitive electronic interest social networks ; an open collaborative rating platform with universal access representing more than 500,000 active users globally interconnected.

How derivatives are currently traded in the capital market of debt titles an can be present in social credit market

Over-the-counter, or "privately negotiated", derivatives are currently traded increasingly on electronic markets, . There are two sectors of the market: institutional dealer-to-client (D2C) and inter-dealer (D2D). These markets are approximately the same size in terms of trading volumes, but there are many more participants in the D2C marketplace than D2D.

In social platform the corrispondance is a traditional client-to-user (C2U) copyleft sector and inter-user (U2U) creative commons sector. C2U electronic trading shares are more then 50% of ther overall consumption time in user activities in front of less content creation consumption time.

Electronic debt trading system interfaced with a collaborative credit sharing system offers the benefits that are being sought by legislators, including increased transparency and equity, more competitive execution of social agreements, efficient trade and share processing content lifecycle vales (like the originate and distribute philosophy of the derivative but in a rational personal credit system ), and a complete and permanent audit trail user engagement. In the same time building a collaborative social credit execution facility for credit titles can stady a flexible and sustenable growth perspetive for financial (private)and social market together.

Currently, all exchange-traded and some OTC-traded derivatives contracts are cleared - the process in which financial transactions are cleared by a single (central) counterparty to reduce individual risk (see Figure 1). However, pending legislation could mandate central clearing for all standardized OTC swap contracts.

Figure 1: Central Feedback Clearing Process for OTC Deployment

Central feedback clearing of derivatives reduces counterparty risk and strengthens overall market integrity. It also helps with position segregation and portability in the event of a default, improves transparency for regulatory requirements and benefits the central management of trade lifecycle events, such as cash settlement with central counterparties and credit cash flow medium term open market operations. There are several select companies that provide derivative clearing services in the U.S. and Europe, and Tradeweb in this proposal is only taken for example .

The electronic links to the major derivatives clearing houses further aligned in social networks with a regulatory shift due to the needs of the marketplace, allows institutional clients to fully automate their content workflow both on settlement cleaqring houses and social platforms- (from trade execution through clearing feedback settlement and vice versa) (see Figure 2). Institutions are now able to better manage operational, systemic and global market systemic risk control. 

Figure 2: Proposed Workflow, Fully-automated on Tradeweb (example)

Internet governance model

How to empower totally opened platforms like Facebook without Employing Privacy Controls

The social network giant have a new counterpart in the market: juno.com but the problem remain the same. The financial users want a multiple slided monitor with podcast independent anonymous access !! Facebook apps podcasting personal modelling is the new challange for reusables of the global web 2.0 .
On  the privacy front, with labelling hits of twittered and followers due to one to one trasaction of data you could have a totally open platform like Facebook having privacy controls in place.


 “Method and system for establishing and maintaining user-controlled anonymous communications”:

A system for establishing anonymous communications includes a plurality of users' party terminals, a plurality of clients' requester terminals, a central controller. The system receives and stores party data about respective parties both of the users and of the client.
Upon receiving criteria for parties of interest from a requestor terminal and authorization from respective parties, the central controller releases to the requester party settled with the parties. The system also establishes communications channels between parties and the requestes, while maintaining their anonymity.

Valter Conti

The Chess and Metz Client and Strategic Methodology

The Chess and Metz Client and Strategic Methodology

Social Network Modelling: a new paradigm for social user and custumer

When considering a Social a traditional CRM strategy, companies are experiencing both  business and technology challenges.
Nowadays   we have more business challenges that we are seeing:
• Being led by senior management teams that do not have the time to adapt to
the new ways that customer and user are communicating online.
• Putting technology ahead of strategy and thus not seeing the results they
want or expect becouse it's matter of the customers and the users.
• Uncertainty about how to transform their existing culture to one that
embraces openness, transparency and engagement. Businesses are
confronted with the fact that an effective change management process takes
a serius envolvment of the traditional social organizations like trade unions and political parties.
Without this they are wanting to see more immediate results agaist the reality.
• Struggling to develop and adapt existing legacy processes and frameworks
that keep up with the social customer and being for the user welfare.
• Trying to respond to as many interactions as they can without actually
solving or making decision-changes at the source and on the fly.
• Wrestling with developing effective advocacy programs for their loyal
customer's copyright and copyleft  brands connected really with the unstable
creative common labels.

Social users and customers are more knowledgeable, empowered and
connected than ever before. Prior to making any kind of affiliation of  purchasing
decisions, users and customers now turn to peers and non-traditional industry
influencers for answers through a very public social sustainable networking
platforms - more so than any other source for information gathering.
In order to succeed in this hyper-connected environment, companies will need to
adapt their business strategy, apply new technology, expand their marketing and
PR efforts, and alter and adapt their internal culture with free ethical codes
Formalizing an integrated CRM and Social URM strategy will allow a business
 to locate, educate and engage their current and potential customers where they prefer to communicate. Empowering the Social Customer's leadership  is a critical objective within any social business strategy.

Conti Valter

Internet Governance Forum

CSTD consultation on improvements to the Internet Governance Forum

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Working group on IGF

The Economic and Social Council (ECOSOC) has asked the Commission on Science and Technology for Development (CSTD) to carry out a consultation on improvements to the Internet Governance Forum (IGF). To this end the CSTD was invited to establish a Working Group on IGF to "seek, compile and review from all Member States and all other stakeholders on improvements to the Internet Governance Forum (IGF), in line with the mandate set out in the Tunis Agenda". (ECOSOC resolution 2010/2)

Timeline of working group meetings and consultations

The Hon. Sherry Ayittey, Minister of Environment, Science and Technology of Ghana, the current Chair of the CSTD, delegated the task of establishing the CSTD Working Group on IGF to Mr. Frederic Riehl, vice Chair of the CSTD.

Mr Riehl plans to organize two meetings (December 2010 and February 2011) before transmitting a report to the CSTD. In addition to these meetings, consultations will be held to allow all stakeholders to contribute to the process. As part of this consultation, the Vice-Chair of the CSTD published an online questionnaire on 9 November 2010 followed by an open face-to-face meeting in Geneva, Switzerland on 24 November 2010.

If you want to see the detailed restults of the consultation go to :http://www.unctad.info/en/CstdWG/


Questa sintesi non deve essere considerato un sondaggio rappresentativo. Piuttosto, i contributi molto ricco e informato dovrebbe essere considerato come il punto di partenza di un processo di consultazione che dà più "cibo per la mente" e invitare ulteriori discussioni.